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the oldest and strongest human emotion

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fear and the oldest and strongest type

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of

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane my

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name is lon stripler

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join me as i examine unexplained

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creatures

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strange manifestations and remarkable

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realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural come

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on board as we begin

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio

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i'm your host lon strickler and thank

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you for joining me here on the

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paranormal king radio network

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now before i introduce my guest i'd like

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to present an account that i recently

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forwarded to me

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i received a telephone call from an

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eyewitness who i'll refer to as

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dh who encountered a wing humanoid

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during the summer of 2011.

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now dh had recently come across the

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chicago area

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wing humanoid post and subsequent

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that i had received in 2017 and 18.

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now this was the first time that dh had

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been aware of these sightings

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uh this is why dh contacted me directly

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in order to report his experience from

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dh and his companion were driving south

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after leaving the black bear casino on

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their way

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back to moose lake minnesota there was a

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clear moonlit night approximately 2 a.m

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t.w was driving a sports car

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now excuse me dh is driving a sports car

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as he was driving

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he observed a large winged beam quickly

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descending from the sky in front of them

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they first saw it drop straight down

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with wings horizontal and open

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it was at least one mile away and with

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at 2 000 to 3 000 foot altitude

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it literally looked like a human with

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wide bat like wings

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that spanned across both freeway lanes

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the being glided towards the car as it

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was going to collide with the windshield

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dh's companion coiled expecting an

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a dh braced himself for a collision but

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suddenly the winged being flew over the

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both occupants were extremely shaken to

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the point where dh pulled over onto the

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now dh stated that the being was dark

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with a shiny wet like appearance the

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wings were leather-like and quite large

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length and thin

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with a narrow head that had pointed ears

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the eyes were hollow and dark the being

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never flapped and moved its wings

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as if it had another means of propulsion

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comfortable relaying the encounter to me

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after reading about the chicago

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incidents now after i had posted

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this account he uh sent me a follow-up

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in his own words he said that we both

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noticed and saw what looked like a wide

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somewhat glossy object drop straight

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super fast like a spider would uh when

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from a vertical web line to lower itself

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as it dropped and stopped suddenly just

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as to then i instantly proceeded to

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glide towards my low prof

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profile sports car at what i estimate

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it so we were heading toward each other

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now at about 140 miles an hour

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i saw it in my high beams as i headed

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directly toward my cord's windshield

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which was about 20 foot in my guess

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my view of the wings face shoulder were

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before i duck sideways while trying to

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the lower part of my body just went numb

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with the lower torso goose bumps in a

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way that i have never experienced

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this creature defined physics as it

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drops straight down

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right through its wings and it did

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appear to drop faster than gravity could

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its bat leg wings nearly span the two

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it made no sense to us then

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professional in the entertainment

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industry so i truly believe that this

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is consistent with some of the other

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inquiries my associates and i have

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concerning these winged humanoids

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so let's get started with tonight's show

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tonight's guest is jason offit

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who's a journalist author and anomalist

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jason grew up on a farm

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near a little town of orc missouri

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in his life he has been a farmhand

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journalist photographer bartender

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and the mayor of the same small town

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jason now teaches journalism at

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northwest missouri state university in

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maryville

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has written many books including

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darkness walks the shadow people among

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haunted missouri a ghostly guide to the

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show me state's most spirited spots

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and paranormal missouri show me your

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monsters

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his upcoming book is titled chasing

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american

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monsters you can find his website at

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jasonoffit.com

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so jason thanks for joining me hey lon

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thanks for

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appreciate it

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now um you and i have not talked for a

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uh first of all how did you become

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interested in strange and unusual

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well i i've always been um interested in

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growing up i was uh you know when i was

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like four or five years old

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i i didn't watch um you know like sesame

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street or mr rogers neighborhood

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because uh reruns of lost in space were

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yeah and the original star trek and

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that's that's what i was glued to

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whenever the uh um

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you know the scholastic book club order

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i was checking books on the loch ness

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monster and bigfoot that's what i wanted

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um when i was uh god how old was i was

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newspapers i was a journalist for 17

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when i was little i mean i was always

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still a newspaper geek

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you know even at a young age that's when

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the momo encounters were happening

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i followed those i was just fascinated

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because we had

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bigfoot encounters in my home state

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and it was in the newspaper so it's got

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to be real right

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right so yeah i'd like to take a a

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backpack with sandwiches and

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uh you know flashlight and stuff like

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that out into the cornfields around the

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house and

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look for bigfoot footprints and drove my

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mom crazy but uh yeah i've been

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been interested in uh in all sorts

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of creepy crawlies and ghosts since i

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it's pretty interesting how we get

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involved with this stuff you know for me

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abduction hill benny and boarding hill

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abduction in new hampshire

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the uh the moonlight the apollo 11 moon

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so anything like that just fascinated

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the heck out of me and of course

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one long after that when the uncertain

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in search of tv shows started coming on

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hit with all this

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weird stuff all of a sudden uh so

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yeah i was glued to that that was one of

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my favorite shows and i it's still

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just to check them out and they still

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hold up to me i also watched uh

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cold check the night stalker oh yeah as

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a kid that was that was absolutely

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funny because you know we did this

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investigation of these chicago

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humanoids flying humanoids back in uh

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2017 and boy i started getting the cold

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shack reference just like crazy out of

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yeah that's a compliment that's a

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yeah you know and because i've been

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because i followed that i i

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followed your work on that and all i

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could really think about was

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you know these things happen every once

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in a while and

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you know it started in like 2017

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there and they were big in 2018 and then

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started to peter out and there's

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after this at least i mean that's what

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i'm thinking because that's how the

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and it you know it was making me think

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of john keele's window areas

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yeah when whenever uh you know a lot of

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strange activity happens in in one place

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for a period of time and then then you

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know all of a sudden here it is and then

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all of a sudden you know it kind of kind

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um i you know that makes that makes a

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that there are areas that are a little

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bit on this planet that are a little bit

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thinner than the other ones and things

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leak through it from time to time

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figure out what this was

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the things that people described to us

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indigenous and they were coming from

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somewhere else

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so well right i mean

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because uh i mean they're you know going

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back to you know

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the similar things you know the mothman

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that it just started

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and then when some you know something

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happened it stopped

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uh so it wasn't around around a lot and

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you know

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window areas that we've

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you know the the the green children that

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appeared in england um

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that was you know could have been a

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window area

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there was a uh a case of a man

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uh who appeared in japan uh

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who had a a passport from a country that

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didn't exist and had

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money on him from a country that didn't

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exist and

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uh you know looked like he was from a

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different dimension well i mean there

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could have been a window area at that

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point where he just stepped through

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so uh your upcoming book is titled

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chasing american monsters

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would you say that the monster cryptid

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hunting

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investigation is a nationwide obsession

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oh not really i think it's more of a

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worldwide obsession

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oh you think so yeah people all over the

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world are

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uh you know search for these things i

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don't i don't know

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on a uh you know a basis as as in much

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of the united states because this is

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where i live but i know there are a lot

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of

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i've followed adam davey's uh

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work for for quite a while i mean

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i mean mommy tex sir edmund hillary went

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looking for the

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the yeti back in the day so i mean there

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are people

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worldwide who are interested in this but

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uh yeah and

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in the united states it seems to be you

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know that's where we have people on the

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weekends going and uh

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you know going out in the woods and

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knocking on trees yeah

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you know it does seem to me though maybe

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more recently in recent years

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that cryptozoology is more of a north

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american phenomenon now

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you know of course there are well known

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cryptids throughout the world

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and you name something of course like

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you know loch ness monster and stuff but

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you know our continents seem to capture

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right well one of the um one of the

348
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things i think uh about that in in

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researching the book uh a lot of

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monsters that we've experienced here uh

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are monsters that originated in

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europe or japan or someplace else

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uh you know like the like you know the

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tommyknockers of pennsylvania and

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california the uh

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um um where am i going the banshee

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of uh of of south dakota the uh the

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black dog of connecticut all of these

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have roots in in in foreign countries

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and and that's because you know this

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country's filled with people who came

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here from someplace else

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right and when they came when they

364
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immigrated here they didn't just bring

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you know a change of clothes and

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uh grandma's recipe book and maybe some

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family heirlooms they brought all their

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legends and stories

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and yeah their monsters came with them

370
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well yeah that's true because uh this

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part of the country was heavy

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uh german descendants and um

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you are immigrants you had uh of course

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people seeing lots of

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upright canines werewolves in

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southern pennsylvania and and throughout

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maryland

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of course the sally gaster which is

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another another cryptid that you

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you mentioned in the book that was well

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documented

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maryland as well

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so uh yeah a lot of these uh

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these these immigrants from

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old the old country you know they were

386
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kind of seeing the same thing they saw

387
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or

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was part of the legend when they were

389
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back home right

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yeah exactly like i'd mentioned the uh

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the the tommy knockers

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uh some of the best miners in the world

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were

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uh from cornwall england and when

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uh all this coal was was discovered in

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in pennsylvania

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companies would bring over cornish

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miners because you know they were the

399
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best

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well the the cornish miners had stories

401
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of

402
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the tommyknockers which were diminutive

403
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uh people who would you know would mine

404
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they would they would mine as well but

405
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they would also play pranks

406
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on on the miners you know hiding a tool

407
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hiding their lunch

408
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they would they would be also also be

409
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known to

410
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sometimes warn people uh there was a

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possible cave in

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uh other times they would be known to

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lure people deeper into the mine right

414
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before a cave in so that these

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miners would die as well um and when the

416
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cornish miners were brought over to the

417
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united states these these stories

418
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came with them and and the the american

419
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miners who were mining with them started

420
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experiencing the same

421
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either the the tommy knockers came

422
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over with the cornish miners or

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something i've been thinking of a lot is

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that there are

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entities uh there there there are

426
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probably entities out there

427
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that emulate other entities

428
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so it might not be the tommy knockers

429
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from england who were over here

430
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it's whatever entities uh you know

431
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latched onto the cornish miners that

432
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were uh

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emulating the emulating those stories or

434
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it could be like a thought-form

435
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manifestation a tulpa yeah

436
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yeah i mean you know that that's one

437
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thing i had thought about as well

438
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that i um you know people that come over

439
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from

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another country and they start

441
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experiencing the same thing

442
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may have you know seen or felt phenomena

443
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and just associated somehow with

444
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something that they were familiar with

445
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and somehow created a tulpa

446
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and and that i've yes absolutely

447
00:16:58,069 --> 00:16:55,920
definitely a possibility that um

448
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i've i've placed that sort of thing

449
00:17:02,310 --> 00:16:59,360
along with uh

450
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with black-eyed kids uh because uh

451
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journalist brian bethel

452
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is the first one to to talk online about

453
00:17:11,829 --> 00:17:08,559
about the black-eyed kids and this was

454
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back in 98 or 99 i think

455
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and when people caught wind of that when

456
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wind of it you know the discussion went

457
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crazy

458
00:17:23,909 --> 00:17:21,760
and all of a sudden people were seeing

459
00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:23,919
black-eyed kids all over the place

460
00:17:27,590 --> 00:17:26,400
slenderman which is a completely made-up

461
00:17:30,789 --> 00:17:27,600
entity

462
00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:30,799
it was it was fabricated um

463
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people started reporting that they had

464
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actually seen it

465
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right um so i mean yeah

466
00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:41,360
are there is the human mind uh

467
00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:43,600
when it gets fixated on something when

468
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it puts a lot of energy

469
00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:47,919
into thinking about a subject does that

470
00:17:52,390 --> 00:17:50,480
subject come to life

471
00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:52,400
well you know i believe in that i think

472
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that that may very well be true and you

473
00:17:59,430 --> 00:17:55,919
know you you mentioned

474
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the slender man i i think that you know

475
00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:00,640
the increase of

476
00:18:05,029 --> 00:18:03,760
memes are these entity encounters of

477
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memes

478
00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:07,679
maybe something that is going to become

479
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a bigger part of

480
00:18:13,830 --> 00:18:11,840
a paranormal investigation now

481
00:18:15,909 --> 00:18:13,840
are people creating thought forms

482
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because of their own line all the time

483
00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:18,640
and they and they they see these made-up

484
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entities

485
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will they be uh manifested because of

486
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something someone would think out as

487
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almost like what a poltergeist is

488
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right right the the because i think

489
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human

490
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thought has a lot of power um

491
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there was uh the character john

492
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constantine

493
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um that was uh it was turned into a film

494
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with with keanu reeves i don't remember

495
00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:46,000
what year

496
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but the uh writer

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of of constantine um

498
00:19:00,630 --> 00:18:56,960
alan alan something alan moore maybe

499
00:19:02,230 --> 00:19:00,640
he had told a story that he was sitting

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in a coffee shop

501
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and a person who

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it was constantine it was the character

503
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that he created the character that

504
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that he had written he'd conjured this

505
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up this fictional character in his head

506
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he said that this guy walked past him

507
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in a coffee shop ordered a cup of coffee

508
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and when he was leaving turned around

509
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and looked him right in the eye and

510
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nodded and

511
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walked out the door was that just a

512
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coincidence a guy who

513
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looked just like the character that he

514
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created

515
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or yeah or was was did he

516
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you know did he actually

517
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create something physical um i i

518
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:45,360
i you know i think that sort of thing's

519
00:19:50,470 --> 00:19:46,640
possible because

520
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whenever um we start thinking about

521
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things a lot you know that

522
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:55,440
they sometimes they kind of happen yeah

523
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that's true and you know i do run across

524
00:20:02,549 --> 00:19:59,039
a case here and there but

525
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uh you know that closely resembles a

526
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possibility of it being a thought form i

527
00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:06,159
mean it's just something that

528
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manifests for some unknown reason

529
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and of course uh the human that's

530
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manifesting has no idea what that

531
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they're doing it

532
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and uh it just becomes

533
00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:22,080
bigger than life apparently but it's a

534
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:22,480
lot of

535
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it no it does happen i think right i did

536
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and but

537
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let me go because i am um

538
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right uh you know at my base

539
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:36,240
uh i'm a skeptical person because i

540
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:39,360
i want science to prove things uh i'm

541
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:41,360
i'm not gonna say i believe in bigfoot

542
00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:43,360
because i want science to show me the

543
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body

544
00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:46,240
um do i think it's possible bigfoot

545
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:47,360
exists i

546
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:48,960
of all the cryptids i think that one's

547
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:51,280
one of the you know the most ones the uh

548
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there's the most evidence showing yeah

549
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:54,159
it probably does

550
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:56,320
but still i want to see the evidence

551
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:57,840
before i say 100 100

552
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that that's what i'm i'm sure of so i

553
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:01,679
mean there are also

554
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things uh the that the human mind does

555
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:05,600
like

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for example my wife and i uh two years

557
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:11,200
ago bought a uh about a ford escape

558
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:13,840
and you know frankly i never could

559
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:16,320
remember seeing what a ford escape was i

560
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:17,600
we went to the lot and i'm like yeah

561
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:19,440
it's a nice car oh my gosh it drives

562
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:20,320
well

563
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:22,480
uh i like what the mileage is it's got a

564
00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:25,280
good record yeah yeah i like this car

565
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:28,159
and when we got back to the town a small

566
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:29,679
town where we live

567
00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:32,400
i saw ford escapes everywhere yeah

568
00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:34,880
meaning they were already there

569
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:38,000
i just never noticed them you know until

570
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:40,559
i knew what to look for

571
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:41,919
so i mean i mean a lot of this

572
00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:44,000
paranormal stuff could be that as

573
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:47,440
as well we didn't know what to see

574
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:50,400
until we we knew until we knew it it

575
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:52,159
reminds me do you ever read any douglas

576
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:55,200
adams hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy

577
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:58,240
no i didn't i never read the book okay

578
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:59,360
and well in one of his

579
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:01,600
um one of his later hitchhiker guide

580
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:04,000
books i think that maybe the fifth one

581
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:04,559
in his

582
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:08,240
trilogy that's part of the joke he um

583
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:10,720
wrote about an alien landing a spaceship

584
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:11,520
right in a

585
00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:14,559
really populated area and

586
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:17,280
the human he was there to to get said

587
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:18,640
aren't you worried about people seeing

588
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:19,520
the spaceship

589
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:22,480
and the aliens said no this is somebody

590
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:23,760
else's problem

591
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:26,960
humans will see something

592
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:29,360
out of the ordinary but their minds will

593
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:30,720
immediately reject it

594
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:33,280
because somebody else will will see it

595
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:35,039
and do something about it it's their

596
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:37,440
problem it's not mine

597
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:40,799
which uh yeah that really i think

598
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:41,600
happens a lot

599
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:43,919
i think that does happen i i agree with

600
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:45,520
you

601
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:51,360
it's in as far as cryptids go let's put

602
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:52,320
it that way

603
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:53,840
do you think people are actually

604
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:55,600
witnessing in uh

605
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:58,000
indigenous creatures or are these

606
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:59,840
possible corporeal

607
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:01,679
cryptids that are finding their way on

608
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:04,080
earth plane

609
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:06,799
it well it really depends it really

610
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:07,919
depends on the creature

611
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:11,840
when it comes to bigfoot i've i've

612
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:13,600
read a lot and and i've listened to a

613
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:15,280
lot of people and i've had discussions

614
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:16,320
with people

615
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:18,960
who are convinced that that bigfoot is

616
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:21,039
an interdimensional being and they they

617
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:23,600
pop in and pop out of dimensions i've

618
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:24,880
talked to people who are

619
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:27,840
certain because of all the bigfoot

620
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:28,640
sightings that

621
00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:31,440
correspond with you know ufo sightings

622
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:31,840
that

623
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:34,640
something's there uh i'm the type of

624
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:35,360
person that

625
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:38,720
is more uh i think bigfoot

626
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:40,480
if he exists and like i said i think he

627
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:42,320
really very well could

628
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:46,000
it is more of a flesh and blood thing

629
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:49,120
i mean because it leaves physical traces

630
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:49,760
it leaves

631
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:52,320
footprints uh deep footprints with

632
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:54,240
dermal ridges which that really excites

633
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:54,559
me

634
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:57,120
that it will leave scat and blood and

635
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:02,070
there are people who claim to have taken

636
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:03,840
a shot at it and some who claim to to

637
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:04,960
have shot it

638
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:08,559
um i i really do think that that bigfoot

639
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:08,960
is

640
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,000
corporeal it's it's flesh and blood

641
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:18,480
but how does it disappear well that's

642
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:19,200
just it

643
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:21,679
that's why you know i had of course i

644
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:23,279
had my encounter

645
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:25,039
i had no doubt that this thing was

646
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:26,960
flushing blood

647
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:30,640
but i also have heard so too many it's

648
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:32,799
put that way too many cases

649
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:34,400
where these things just suddenly

650
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:36,400
disappear or just

651
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:40,640
manifest in front of somebody uh

652
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:44,320
are these corporeal beings that come

653
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:46,240
from another

654
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:49,760
dimension or universe where they come

655
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:50,799
through some type of

656
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:53,520
portal of some type i don't know i mean

657
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:54,080
you know

658
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:55,760
this this thing with what happened in

659
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:57,279
chicago

660
00:25:00,710 --> 00:25:00,080
with these wing humanoids you know we

661
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:00,720
have had

662
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:04,880
two reports out of all the reports where

663
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:08,480
these beings would suddenly disappear

664
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:11,520
just like it went through a doorway and

665
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:12,840
just

666
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:16,559
vanish so

667
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:18,960
yeah but that's that's that's different

668
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:20,720
from from bigfoot

669
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:24,640
um uh bigfoot for for one if

670
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:27,039
anybody spent you know time in in the

671
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:28,159
woods especially

672
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:30,559
thick woods there have been plenty of

673
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:32,320
times to where i have been

674
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:35,440
within a couple of feet of a deer and i

675
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:36,559
didn't know it until

676
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:40,720
and took off right and deer aren't small

677
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:42,000
animals i mean they're not bigfoot

678
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:43,440
size of course but they're not small

679
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:46,480
animals i didn't see it

680
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:49,679
and what other animals are within 10

681
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:50,720
feet of me

682
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:52,880
and i have no clue they're there all

683
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:53,760
right the same

684
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:55,360
i mean same could be you know it could

685
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:57,840
be you know with with bigfoot it's just

686
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:01,120
not only um does the you know

687
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:03,039
the color in the hair would would make

688
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,000
it uh easy to blend in with the foliage

689
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:08,720
uh even though it's so big it you know

690
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:09,279
it's

691
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:12,159
from all accounts pretty intelligent

692
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:12,960
well my

693
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:15,520
my theory on bigfoot is that i do

694
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:18,240
believe that there are indigenous

695
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,360
bigfoot in other words these are bigfoot

696
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:23,760
that our flesh and blood live on this

697
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:24,960
earth

698
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:26,960
in certain areas like the pacific

699
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:28,240
northwest

700
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:31,520
possibly down in florida some parts of

701
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:35,840
the deep south but

702
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:38,320
i do believe for the most part what

703
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:40,320
people are seeing like where i live at

704
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:42,320
here in pennsylvania

705
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:45,279
and in the upper midwest and such i

706
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:46,720
think

707
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:50,480
i i really believe sincerely that these

708
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:53,120
are some type of other being these are

709
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:54,960
beings that are coming from another

710
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:56,480
reality

711
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,760
and you know that's definitely that

712
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:03,440
that's that definitely could

713
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:06,799
could be i'm just i'm i'm hesitant

714
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:09,279
yeah i understand why you're coming yeah

715
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:10,080
yeah yeah

716
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,679
because i mean that's that's explaining

717
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:13,520
an unknown with another unknown because

718
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:14,320
right

719
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:17,039
yeah i mean you know mathematically and

720
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:17,360
and

721
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:19,600
you know scientists have said yes there

722
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:20,880
are other dimensions

723
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,399
there definitely are you know quantum

724
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:24,559
mechanics have shown that

725
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:27,360
but that's math and you know we don't

726
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:28,159
know 100

727
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:31,360
for sure that that's right uh

728
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:33,279
but when you when you break it down i

729
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:34,399
mean

730
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:36,799
given the fact that bigfoot just does it

731
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:39,200
disappears sometimes and then reappears

732
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:40,960
or sometimes the footprints it's

733
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:42,320
definitely leaving

734
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:44,399
all of a sudden just stop yeah that's

735
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:45,360
another thing

736
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,520
where'd it go where did this thing go

737
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:49,120
you know that's interesting because the

738
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:52,240
the late great jc johnson

739
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:55,120
you know he and i were friends and he he

740
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:56,640
would tell me

741
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:58,480
i you know i'd be tracking this bigfoot

742
00:28:01,750 --> 00:28:00,080
and all of a sudden it looked like the

743
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:01,760
thing sprouted wings and took off

744
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:03,360
because the

745
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:06,559
you know the footprints just ended

746
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:08,799
you know it's uh and that's happened and

747
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:10,159
i've heard that from other people as

748
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:11,600
well

749
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:14,000
so uh you know how do you explain that

750
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:15,200
phenomena

751
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:17,120
that if this thing is eight feet tall

752
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:18,240
and weighs you know

753
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:21,440
600 pounds it didn't jump

754
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:24,799
no no so right yeah

755
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:27,840
i mean like i said i i i in my opinion

756
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:28,720
it's it's you know

757
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:30,960
flesh and blood animal but all the i

758
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,120
mean there are so many

759
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:35,360
problems with that just just what we

760
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:37,039
just talked about that don't

761
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:39,279
really fit in with with the this is

762
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:42,240
flesh flesh and blood and indigenous

763
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:45,440
but then we have you know the stories uh

764
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:47,120
native american stories and you know

765
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:48,640
first nation stories from up up in

766
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:49,520
canada

767
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,720
of the the the the

768
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:55,200
indigenous people here would they they

769
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:56,799
didn't consider them animals

770
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:58,880
for the most part they were just another

771
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:01,279
tribe of people big hairy people

772
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:03,600
and although sometimes the the the

773
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:04,720
bigfoot would you know

774
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:08,559
steal a kid or or a woman or a man

775
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:11,840
and you know probably eat them they they

776
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:12,960
traded with them

777
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:16,640
as well so i just

778
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:18,240
and here's something that's been been

779
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:21,200
bouncing around my head recently

780
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,760
and it's not just man i'm gonna i'm

781
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:25,200
gonna throw aliens in here too for a

782
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:26,720
second if you'll go ahead

783
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:29,919
okay thank you all right

784
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:33,760
we have yeah the dna evidence uh that dr

785
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:35,279
melba ketchum

786
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:39,120
got analyzed and it came back human

787
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:41,440
with some anomalies uh there was a

788
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:43,520
researcher in alberta canada

789
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:47,120
who had some uh dna blood and hair that

790
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:47,600
that he

791
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:51,760
sure no he was it was positive this was

792
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:53,039
from sasquatch but

793
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:56,080
it came back after after the dna uh you

794
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:56,799
know

795
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:00,000
sequencing it was human but with an

796
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:03,120
anomaly there was a there's a british

797
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:04,559
professor that i don't know

798
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:08,000
four or five years ago met with

799
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:11,279
zaina's uh descendants zaina

800
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:15,840
was uh uh uh in in russia a distant

801
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:16,480
village

802
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:19,840
captured in alma which is the russian

803
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:20,880
bigfoot

804
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:23,760
and she was a wild woman all covered in

805
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:24,559
hair

806
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:26,640
and some of the men in town had sex with

807
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:28,640
her and produced offspring

808
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:32,480
and those offspring you know

809
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,720
could talk weren't quite as hairy they

810
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:36,640
had large brown ridges which was

811
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:37,679
interesting

812
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:40,399
but they continued to have offspring and

813
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:40,880
and this

814
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:43,679
this scientist tracked them down and and

815
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:44,960
um

816
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:52,880
but there was there were some anomalies

817
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:56,240
um and and i mentioned aliens and i'll

818
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:56,960
just go to one

819
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:00,799
one spot the uh uh the star child

820
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:04,559
uh was it lloyd lloyd pie right

821
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:07,679
he had that dna analyzed

822
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:10,080
and it came back human with some

823
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:11,039
anomalies so

824
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:14,000
right that made me wondering okay

825
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:15,840
instead of all this stuff being

826
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:19,279
human as in us walking around

827
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:22,720
right now on this planet what if

828
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,000
these dna samples did come from bigfoot

829
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:28,720
what if the starchild was alien but you

830
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:30,000
know what

831
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:34,080
we're all one big human family

832
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:36,880
maybe that's why the dna uh keeps coming

833
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:37,279
back

834
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:40,799
as human because they are i mean

835
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:44,159
two legs two arms you know a

836
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:47,039
neck head two eyes and nostril with two

837
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:47,519
you know

838
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:50,559
or a nose with two nostrils a mouth you

839
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:51,039
know

840
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,440
all of that or those are all human you

841
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:55,840
know structural attributes

842
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:57,679
why couldn't they all be human well they

843
00:32:03,110 --> 00:31:59,200
could be i mean you know

844
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:03,120
you you hear this um this term

845
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:05,519
that gets bounced around genetics junk

846
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:06,480
dna

847
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:14,640
what it is

848
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:18,320
right exactly i mean that could be the

849
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:21,440
anomalous dna in all of us absolutely

850
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:23,919
yeah absolutely i mean you know that you

851
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:24,799
keep hearing about the

852
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:28,320
the missing link well you know i

853
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:30,720
i you know i do believe in evolution for

854
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,919
the most part

855
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:33,760
but i think there was an intervention

856
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:35,519
somewhere down the line

857
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:39,039
uh it it just seems to me

858
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:41,600
impossible not to believe that there was

859
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:43,919
intervention somewhere down the line

860
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:47,840
uh it's a fascinating idea yes it is

861
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:50,720
uh we it's hard to explain i mean it's

862
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:52,399
you know

863
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:53,760
you can think about it and drive

864
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:55,600
yourself crazy sometimes

865
00:33:00,389 --> 00:32:58,559
but uh you know i think about it a lot i

866
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:00,399
really do and i agree with you

867
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:03,519
i mean there are possibilities

868
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:06,960
there maybe now we can't explain it but

869
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:08,799
who's to say one of these days somebody

870
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:10,720
isn't going to figure it out

871
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:13,360
right and this is i mean looking back at

872
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:15,600
science from 150 years ago the things

873
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:16,880
that they thought and the things that

874
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:19,600
they believed and they were sure

875
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:22,960
that was the truth is laughable

876
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:26,159
in a lot of cases well in 150 years from

877
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:26,559
now

878
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:31,200
telling people that are the truth

879
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:32,799
are going to be laughable to the to the

880
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:34,399
people in the future

881
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:37,679
so all of the reasons that that

882
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:40,480
you know and again i love science but

883
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:42,399
all the all the reasons that the science

884
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:43,519
is telling us that

885
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,240
bigfoot can't exist and and uh you know

886
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:48,320
chupacabra can't exist and the thylacine

887
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:49,760
is definitely dead

888
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,399
and you know all of this is is probably

889
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:54,480
going to be laughable at some point

890
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:56,480
maybe 150 years from now they'll dig up

891
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:58,320
the old podcast and say hey they were

892
00:34:02,549 --> 00:33:59,120
actually right they

893
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,559
were right yes

894
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:04,559
man that often strickler knew what they

895
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:07,679
were talking about

896
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:10,320
now you're right since you're a resident

897
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:12,159
of missouri

898
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:14,879
and that you write a lot about your

899
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:16,879
state's strange anomalies

900
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:20,480
i have to tell you that the underground

901
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:21,520
reptilian

902
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:24,560
encounter at carthage probably creeped

903
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:26,800
me out more than anything else

904
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,040
oh yeah i i know i i agree that is uh

905
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:33,200
yeah that's a terrific story some guys

906
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:34,720
were writing because there's

907
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:36,320
there was a whole lot of coal mining

908
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:37,760
down there and there are a lot of

909
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:38,960
abandoned mines

910
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,000
right actually um

911
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:44,159
oh i can't remember the name of the

912
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:45,200
serial killer but

913
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,800
he went uh people called him mad dog uh

914
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:51,040
it was made in how his story was made

915
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:53,200
into the movie the hitchhiker

916
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,520
uh wow back in 1950 something anyway

917
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:59,760
he used he used those caves too to dump

918
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:00,960
bodies

919
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:04,400
but but um yeah some some people some

920
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:06,079
guys were you know riding four wheelers

921
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:07,200
down there

922
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:10,320
and they came to a part of the cave that

923
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:13,440
you know people had you know like built

924
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:15,040
into a tunnel you know a tunnel with

925
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:16,160
concrete

926
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:18,160
and yeah then they they encountered a

927
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,079
reptilian down there that's

928
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:22,800
you know scares the hell out of me yeah

929
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:23,359
there

930
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:26,800
offshoots of that thing and a lot of

931
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:28,960
connotations about it

932
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:32,320
uh i had some guy tell me one time that

933
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:34,640
he had actually

934
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:37,760
uh been on an underground river

935
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:40,160
in that area and he came across these

936
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:41,599
reptilians

937
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:44,800
as well i you know i don't know what to

938
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:46,160
believe as far as that because there but

939
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:46,800
that was

940
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,160
that ever came out of missouri but there

941
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:53,040
is another phenomenon another story

942
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:57,040
in missouri that maybe you can tell

943
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:59,119
the listeners about and that is the

944
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:00,720
butterfly people

945
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:04,000
of joplin right uh

946
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:07,440
when joplin had its uh tornado back in

947
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:11,119
11 2011 i think uh i think it was an f4

948
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:12,160
it might have been an

949
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:16,240
f5 um it just it did tore joplin up

950
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:19,520
the pictures are heartbreaking um

951
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,760
but i think only like 150 people died

952
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:23,760
which given the destruction was pretty

953
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:24,960
amazing

954
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:28,320
but there came you know after

955
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:30,240
you know the rescue rescues were

956
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:31,920
happening people happening people were

957
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:34,160
pulled out of rubble

958
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:36,400
the hospitals were filling up and

959
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:38,400
everything you know

960
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,079
people were getting time to breathe and

961
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,240
start talking

962
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:44,240
there were a lot of children who started

963
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:46,720
talking about the butterfly people

964
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:49,760
uh and and it'd be cases like

965
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:52,480
uh there was one case a a mom was

966
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:53,359
driving

967
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:56,640
and her her child was like four years

968
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:57,280
old

969
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:58,880
uh strapped in the car seat in the back

970
00:37:01,750 --> 00:37:00,720
seat and she was she was trying to get

971
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:01,760
away

972
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:05,200
and the car started moving in a way that

973
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,119
she hadn't anticipated

974
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,119
and and she thought that you know well

975
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:11,599
the tornadoes grabbed me were dead

976
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:15,119
but the car was moved out of the path of

977
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:16,800
the tornado

978
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,200
and you know the mom was like oh my god

979
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:21,280
thank thank you god for this and

980
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:23,839
um when she started talking to her to

981
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:26,400
her kid about are you okay

982
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:29,359
the child said yes i i'm fine because of

983
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:31,200
the butterfly people

984
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:34,320
that the the kids said that people

985
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:37,440
with butterfly wings had

986
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:39,680
picked up the back of the car and moved

987
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,960
the vehicle out of the way of the

988
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:42,960
tornado

989
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:45,359
there was another case of of a dad

990
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:46,800
running with his child

991
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:50,320
and about ready to dive in a ditch and

992
00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:53,680
this huge piece of a building was thrown

993
00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:57,760
and should have crushed them but it

994
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:00,880
how they landed uh and how the

995
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:03,119
the the part of the building that landed

996
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:04,400
on top of them

997
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,240
it landed in a way to where it didn't

998
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:08,640
crush them and the child said that

999
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,440
he had seen a butterfly a person with

1000
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:13,200
butterfly wings

1001
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:15,680
holding on to the part of building the

1002
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:17,200
part of the building and setting it down

1003
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:19,200
softly instead of letting it crash onto

1004
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:21,040
them and there were a lot of other

1005
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,440
other cases you know very similar to

1006
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:25,200
that

1007
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:28,160
it's a fascinating story i mean you you

1008
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:29,599
want to believe that

1009
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:31,680
well maybe they saw angels or maybe

1010
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:32,720
these were

1011
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:35,760
large fairies of some type you know i

1012
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:37,359
you know i don't know what to equate it

1013
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:40,079
to i've always been interested in

1014
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,000
in wing beans wing humanoids but

1015
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:46,480
you know the fact that kids were seeing

1016
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:48,079
these things and

1017
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:50,079
that they had come to the rescues of

1018
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:51,760
other people and

1019
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:56,880
tried to um help people avoid disaster

1020
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,000
it's such a strange story and i quite

1021
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:02,160
frankly i can't really think of any

1022
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:04,240
other story

1023
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:08,320
even that equates to that

1024
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:10,560
right now with butterfly people i i

1025
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:12,800
can't either and and i did some looking

1026
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:14,960
for it as well and and i couldn't see

1027
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:16,880
anything that equated to that

1028
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:19,040
but it was it was just the kids the kids

1029
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:20,400
were the only people who

1030
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:23,599
saw it adults did not see it which which

1031
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:24,960
also

1032
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:26,960
you know makes sense because you know

1033
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:28,960
kids report seeing ghosts they report

1034
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:31,280
seeing you know shadow people more than

1035
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:33,040
uh more than adults do

1036
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:34,400
and and they report seeing a lot of

1037
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:37,200
weird things more than adults do

1038
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:40,640
and you know i really seriously think

1039
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:41,359
that

1040
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,440
i i've done so many paranormal

1041
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:49,440
investigations where the kid just tells

1042
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:50,400
you

1043
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:53,920
know

1044
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:56,160
it it leaves you dumbfounded but you

1045
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:57,200
know

1046
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:58,960
they aren't lying to you they saw

1047
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:02,000
something and they reacted to it somehow

1048
00:40:06,030 --> 00:40:03,359
and um

1049
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:06,040
yeah i mean i guess it's the

1050
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:09,040
unadulterated mind of a child

1051
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,800
that it sees something and

1052
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:14,640
something's not is telling it not

1053
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:16,079
telling it that you

1054
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:18,960
you aren't seeing this right and i don't

1055
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:21,119
know if it's is it something in the eye

1056
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:22,880
that changes over time is it something

1057
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,359
in the brain that changes over time

1058
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:28,079
or is it just the fact that over time

1059
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,720
people

1060
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:30,160
you know children get it beaten in their

1061
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:32,640
head that yeah ghosts don't exist

1062
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:35,119
yeah you know it it could be well it

1063
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:37,440
could be all the above or any of the

1064
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:38,240
above

1065
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:40,800
that's why when when my children tell me

1066
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:41,440
things i

1067
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:44,720
i like to believe them but let me give

1068
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,000
you a quick example of that

1069
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:48,960
uh my uh wife and i were looking to move

1070
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:51,040
to uh to a bigger house because

1071
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:54,480
we we had a uh a five-year-old son and a

1072
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:55,520
three-year-old

1073
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:58,000
girl and we only had a two-bedroom house

1074
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:59,599
and we needed to get

1075
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:01,200
enough room to get those two kids away

1076
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:07,109
and every time we'd go into a house this

1077
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,040
an empty house brand new house both kids

1078
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:11,520
would go freaking crazy

1079
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,760
running around screaming exploring and

1080
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:15,280
because it was fun

1081
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:17,280
and we went into this one house that was

1082
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:18,960
uh it was a gorgeous house i would have

1083
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:20,000
loved to live there it was

1084
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:22,880
it was built in the 1880s and my

1085
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:23,839
three-year-old

1086
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:26,240
said daddy picked me up she was fine out

1087
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:27,440
in the yard but as soon as we got in the

1088
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:28,960
house she said pick me up

1089
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:32,640
so i held her and she

1090
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,599
just was on me like you know like like a

1091
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:37,599
leech or a baby possum or something as

1092
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:38,960
we walked throughout

1093
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:41,440
the entire house and finally when we

1094
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:43,119
were back down in the living room i said

1095
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:44,800
honey what's the matter

1096
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:48,319
and she said they're scary and i said

1097
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:53,280
who's scary and she whispered the ghosts

1098
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,359
and by the time we got back out in the

1099
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:57,359
yard she was fine and wanted down and

1100
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:58,720
wanted to run around and chase her

1101
00:42:03,109 --> 00:41:59,760
brother

1102
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:03,119
but she saw something in there that

1103
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:04,560
scout scared her we

1104
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:07,599
we didn't get that house of course

1105
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,520
yeah i can understand that i have had

1106
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:11,520
people that you know have small

1107
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:15,119
kids and uh you know

1108
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:17,680
the parent will be there and the kids

1109
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:19,839
tell them monsters monsters

1110
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,839
and they're looking around they can't

1111
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:23,359
see anything and

1112
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:26,560
it causes so much you know

1113
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:28,960
stress on the parent when these kids are

1114
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:30,079
scared to death

1115
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:33,359
but they're seeing something right

1116
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:36,079
yeah absolutely i i listen i listen to

1117
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,200
kids when they talk about

1118
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:40,560
stuff like that that's what you do now

1119
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:43,920
does it seem to you that there are more

1120
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,640
been more bizarre eyewitness reports

1121
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:48,160
currently being filed

1122
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:49,839
i mean as opposed to maybe just a few

1123
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:52,000
years ago it just seems to me that

1124
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:53,040
there's a lot

1125
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:56,240
weirder things going on well okay i

1126
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:57,119
don't know if

1127
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:59,680
there actually are a lot weirder things

1128
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:00,400
going on

1129
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:03,200
or the fact that with the proclivity of

1130
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:03,599
uh

1131
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,200
paranormal shows on tv and how accepted

1132
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:09,839
the topics become is that people feel

1133
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:10,880
more comfortable

1134
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:12,800
in talking about it well that may very

1135
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:14,560
well be and of course with the internet

1136
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,760
as well too

1137
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,000
yeah when i wrote my my first book on

1138
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:20,240
the paranormal haunted missouri back in

1139
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:23,839
well that was 11 years ago 2007 um

1140
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:26,400
i ran into a lot of people who said yeah

1141
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:27,200
i

1142
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:31,599
of me

1143
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:33,440
and by the time i got to the second and

1144
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:35,040
third book

1145
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,560
everybody was open so i i think that has

1146
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:40,720
something to do with it and but i also

1147
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:42,240
wouldn't discount the fact that maybe

1148
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:43,760
more weird stuff is happening

1149
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:47,040
yeah i know it just seems to me and you

1150
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:48,160
know i

1151
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:52,000
it just seems to me that people are

1152
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:55,520
recognizing more bizarre type of

1153
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,960
phenomena now i i don't i can't explain

1154
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:00,240
that

1155
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:06,800
something i would have never received

1156
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:13,190
why is that i have no idea

1157
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:16,160
okay well i mean uh again it could be

1158
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:18,000
either one or it could be a combination

1159
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:18,480
of both

1160
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:20,400
maybe yeah maybe things more things are

1161
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:22,079
happening or

1162
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:25,200
uh as again as i found out you know

1163
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:27,359
people thought jason's not gonna make

1164
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:28,480
fun of me

1165
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:30,480
i've read his work i know what he's

1166
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:32,880
doing he's gonna treat me

1167
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:35,440
you know he's gonna treat me well and

1168
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:37,040
and and i think that could could be

1169
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:40,400
it that may be it that may be it

1170
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:43,599
yeah or maybe you know one of the things

1171
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:46,960
that has always amazed me and it's

1172
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:47,440
gotten

1173
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,560
so much worse which which is counter to

1174
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:52,560
what we just talked about

1175
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:55,440
is when people are walking i observed

1176
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:56,560
this in college

1177
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:00,400
way back you know in 1872

1178
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:03,359
is that if somebody's walking they might

1179
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:03,680
be

1180
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:07,760
know reading or talking to a friend or

1181
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:09,200
looking at their feet as they walked

1182
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,200
with their hands in their pockets

1183
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:13,520
i was always looking straight ahead or

1184
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:14,480
up

1185
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:15,760
you know and people now as they're

1186
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:16,880
walking around they got their face

1187
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:18,640
buried in their phones oh yeah

1188
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:20,560
so i'm surprised they're frankly i'm

1189
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:22,880
surprised there aren't fewer

1190
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:24,960
fewer reports because people just don't

1191
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:27,280
notice any hell people will walk into a

1192
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:28,640
street light pole

1193
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:30,079
yeah because they're looking at their

1194
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:31,760
phone you know how are they going to

1195
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:34,400
notice a ghost or uh you know a ufo

1196
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:35,280
looking and

1197
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:41,190
well what are your thoughts on the

1198
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:42,640
paranormal in the government

1199
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:46,800
i mean do you believe that

1200
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:50,000
they know what's actually being is going

1201
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:50,319
on

1202
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:51,760
and what what do you think to do with

1203
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:53,760
that knowledge and in particular i'm

1204
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:56,640
talking about like bigfoot

1205
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:59,440
oh with with you know there have been a

1206
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:01,040
lot of stories

1207
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:03,760
um there have been i'm i'm i'm sure you

1208
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:04,400
know that well

1209
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:06,079
yeah i know you know these stories that

1210
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:07,680
yeah uh you know uh

1211
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:11,200
soldiers in vietnam reporting bigfoot

1212
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:14,800
and um there was um you know a story

1213
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:16,000
about after uh mount st

1214
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:19,280
helens erupted uh that soldiers went and

1215
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:20,800
took bigfoot bodies off

1216
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,400
off the mountain um i

1217
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:26,160
i mean this is going to sound paranoid

1218
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:28,079
and paranoid and conspiratorial

1219
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:31,200
but i am paranoid and conspiratorial

1220
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:35,040
i i don't trust the government

1221
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:36,240
well i'll just leave it at that i don't

1222
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:38,160
trust the government

1223
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:39,839
when it comes to anything anything

1224
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:41,599
paranormal i think that

1225
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:44,319
they they have to know they have to know

1226
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:45,680
yeah you would think they do

1227
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:47,440
i mean and i you know i have had

1228
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:48,960
experienced

1229
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:51,599
well just look at my encounter with the

1230
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:52,640
bigfoot

1231
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:56,240
in sykesville the the fact that five

1232
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:58,240
minutes after i made the report

1233
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:01,920
there were state police and

1234
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:05,119
federal people all over the place

1235
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:07,760
i mean you never hear that but for

1236
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:09,280
whatever reason

1237
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:11,119
i believe they were tracking this thing

1238
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:13,119
for some reason

1239
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:16,160
right and uh well let's let's go uh

1240
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:17,520
i'm sure you're familiar with david

1241
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:19,280
pilate's work right

1242
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:21,440
right and and some of the stories that

1243
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:23,040
he's had about

1244
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:26,319
the disappearance of kids in uh in in

1245
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:29,920
in in parks national parks state parks

1246
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:33,040
is like green berets were called in the

1247
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:33,839
fbi

1248
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:37,839
came in those two groups of people don't

1249
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,240
come in for a missing persons report

1250
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:42,960
right right so what exactly were they

1251
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,839
looking for

1252
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:45,599
well that's just it i've heard too many

1253
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:47,200
stories

1254
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:49,839
of uh certain departments in the

1255
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:50,559
government

1256
00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:53,040
in in the pentagon that's for some

1257
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:54,559
reason

1258
00:48:02,069 --> 00:47:57,760
you know without any explanation have

1259
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:02,079
uh certain groups go in

1260
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:05,440
to eradicate or look for people

1261
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:07,520
but you you know you have people that

1262
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,640
witness it

1263
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:10,480
but you can't ever get a straight story

1264
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:12,800
but they know something

1265
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:16,000
they do and i mean again uh the trust of

1266
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:16,800
the government is

1267
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:20,880
is so limited um you know

1268
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,119
the the tuskegee um the tuskegee uh

1269
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:27,599
syphilis experiment our government you

1270
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:28,160
know

1271
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:31,359
used on our own people i mean if they

1272
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:32,480
can do that

1273
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:34,720
i mean what else are they doing and

1274
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:37,040
trying to keep secret

1275
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:39,359
well i mean the mk altar is a perfect

1276
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:40,480
example

1277
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:42,400
some of the stuff that that happened

1278
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:44,480
through that program

1279
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:48,720
and uh i mean you would think

1280
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:50,400
when they had the church commission and

1281
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:52,160
and they say it stopped

1282
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:53,520
well i don't believe that i don't

1283
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:55,119
believe any i don't believe that stuff

1284
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:55,760
has stopped

1285
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:57,839
and in fact he's probably increased to a

1286
00:49:01,990 --> 00:48:59,040
point where

1287
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:02,000
you know it's just it's just kept more

1288
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:03,760
quiet

1289
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:06,640
right well when they say i mean after um

1290
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:08,720
you know project blue book closed

1291
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:11,760
uh they were the government was done

1292
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:14,880
investigating ufos right yeah you know

1293
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:15,280
and

1294
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:16,800
then you know when the new york times

1295
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:19,280
was it last december this i'm not not

1296
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:21,040
this last but a year year ago last

1297
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:22,000
december

1298
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:24,079
came out with the with the story about

1299
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:25,359
the the government

1300
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:28,559
investigating ufos i mean that

1301
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:30,640
blew my mind that it actually hit the

1302
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:32,640
new york times

1303
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,520
but i mean yeah the government was lying

1304
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:37,200
to us of course they were investigating

1305
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:39,599
all this stuff all this time

1306
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:42,079
do you um do you think bigfoot all be a

1307
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:44,640
protected species

1308
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:49,680
well um here

1309
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:51,520
i know i'm throwing this stuff random at

1310
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:52,720
you but i you know

1311
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:55,040
i'm interested in other people's

1312
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:57,040
opinions on a lot of this stuff that

1313
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:59,680
you know that you know that i think

1314
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:00,319
about

1315
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:03,359
all right this is an opinion that people

1316
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:05,119
have gotten upset with me before

1317
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:08,319
okay all right bigfoot could

1318
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:13,599
be and an uncategorized species of north

1319
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:14,640
american ape

1320
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:18,640
okay and if it's that the population

1321
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:21,680
is really small if

1322
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,880
um bigfoot is just you know as as the

1323
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:26,640
native americans said was just another

1324
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:28,559
species of people

1325
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:32,160
uh yeah it'd be nice to know about them

1326
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:33,359
but you know let's leave

1327
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:36,960
leave them alone however i really want

1328
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:38,319
to know

1329
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:40,640
so i really wouldn't be opposed to

1330
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:42,640
somebody shooting one in the head

1331
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:46,319
yeah just one just one so we'd know

1332
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:49,520
i mean that really doesn't feel good in

1333
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:50,640
my stomach

1334
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:53,599
saying that because these are obviously

1335
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:54,079
given

1336
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:56,480
all of the stories that that i've gotten

1337
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:58,160
from eyewitnesses and the stories i've

1338
00:51:02,230 --> 00:50:59,440
read from other people

1339
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:02,240
these are obviously intelligent beings

1340
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:02,960
that

1341
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:06,000
are probably kin to us and it would be

1342
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:06,839
it would be

1343
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:09,680
murder to put one down

1344
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:13,839
but damn it i'm really curious

1345
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:17,119
yeah i am too and you know you know i

1346
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:18,240
always thought

1347
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:22,559
would go out there

1348
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:26,000
and pop one of these things and the body

1349
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:27,680
would go to science

1350
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:30,160
and they would uh figure out that what

1351
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:31,440
it is

1352
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:35,760
exactly and that it's not a myth

1353
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:39,119
and then bigfoot investigation and

1354
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:42,960
and enthusiasm is moot

1355
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:44,480
all the books that were written about

1356
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:46,960
bigfoot are probably moved by then

1357
00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:50,400
well but so what

1358
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:52,960
so what i mean look look at all the

1359
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:54,960
mythical creatures that turned out to be

1360
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:57,359
real gorillas were mythical creatures

1361
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:59,680
the great the giant panda was a mythical

1362
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:00,640
creature

1363
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:03,520
uh wood bison you know were a mythical

1364
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,000
creature

1365
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:06,559
but you know they're they're actually

1366
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:08,000
real i mean

1367
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:10,800
i don't have a problem with finding out

1368
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:11,760
that bigfoot's real

1369
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:13,520
the one problem i have with finding out

1370
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:15,520
that bigfoot's real

1371
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:17,680
is that again they appear to be

1372
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:18,800
intelligent

1373
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,240
they're bigger than us they're stronger

1374
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:22,800
than us these guys are going to go on tv

1375
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:23,920
and take our you know take our

1376
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:25,760
entertainment jobs

1377
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:27,200
okay can you imagine these guys on a

1378
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:29,280
construction crew oh that may very well

1379
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:29,599
be

1380
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:32,720
i mean yeah look at it like that look at

1381
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:35,520
professional bigfoot wrestling

1382
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:37,599
actually i want to see that that would

1383
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:38,960
be great

1384
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:42,319
uh do you um or can you share or have

1385
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:42,800
you had

1386
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:46,480
any personal paranormal experiences

1387
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:50,319
i have not had one

1388
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:55,280
cryptozoo cryptozoological experience

1389
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:58,800
uh but i i did see

1390
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:01,680
i did see a ghost i saw a full-bodied

1391
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:02,960
apparition i was

1392
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:06,720
i grew up um in a farmhouse

1393
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:09,359
that had spent most of its existence 100

1394
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:11,040
it was 120 years old by the time we

1395
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:12,000
moved in

1396
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:15,119
it had spent uh that time being a

1397
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:17,119
two-room schoolhouse

1398
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:19,200
okay actually my grandma taught there

1399
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:20,480
and my dad went and

1400
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:22,480
his sisters and brother would school

1401
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:24,559
there but it was it was turned into a

1402
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:25,599
three-bedroom house

1403
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:28,960
and uh and we moved in there and

1404
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:31,520
you know i'd always hear creaking and

1405
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:33,200
what sounded like footsteps

1406
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:34,880
and i'd yell for my dad and he'd come

1407
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:36,800
into the room and say damn it jason

1408
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:40,079
it's the house settling yeah that's that

1409
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:42,000
was always the excuse people would give

1410
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:42,640
their kids

1411
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:46,720
yeah one one afternoon

1412
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:49,119
uh it was it was in the winter and i

1413
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:50,079
know it was a

1414
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:52,720
saturday or sunday because it was in the

1415
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:54,559
middle of the afternoon and

1416
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:57,359
you know it was really bright and i

1417
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:58,880
walked out of my bedroom and went into

1418
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:01,280
this hallway across from my bedroom door

1419
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:03,119
where we kept dad put bookshelves

1420
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:04,720
everywhere they were just loaded with

1421
00:54:07,630 --> 00:54:05,839
books

1422
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:07,640
and i was going to get the world book

1423
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:09,280
encyclopedia

1424
00:54:12,790 --> 00:54:11,520
probably dinosaurs because i was locked

1425
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:12,800
on that

1426
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:15,839
and um i walk into the hallway

1427
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:17,920
and there's a little boy about six years

1428
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:19,200
old

1429
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:23,680
standing in the hallway staring at me

1430
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:26,079
and yeah six months we lived six miles

1431
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:27,440
out in the country we there were no

1432
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:28,240
little boys

1433
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:32,160
i was the only little boy out there and

1434
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:33,839
we stared at each other for a while and

1435
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:35,920
i remember what i can see him in my head

1436
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:36,960
right now

1437
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:39,280
he had brown hair parted on the on the

1438
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:40,480
left side

1439
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:43,440
um had a blue flannel shirt and blue

1440
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:44,319
jeans

1441
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:46,079
and i could see the bookshelf through

1442
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:48,160
this kid

1443
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:51,119
and i stood there in shock staring i

1444
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:52,480
have no idea how long i stood there

1445
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:54,319
staring at him it was probably

1446
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:57,440
10 or 15 seconds something like that but

1447
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,400
he blinked and when he blinked that

1448
00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:02,400
broke the shock i was in

1449
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:04,240
and i turned around walked back into my

1450
00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:06,400
bedroom and shut the door

1451
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:08,480
and i eventually went came came out and

1452
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:10,079
he was gone of course

1453
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:14,319
but that made me think you know what

1454
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:16,799
i just saw a ghost saw a ghost in my

1455
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:17,839
house

1456
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:20,000
i wasn't really that scared i was more

1457
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:21,359
curious

1458
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:23,920
it was like okay so ghosts really do

1459
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:25,599
exist

1460
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:29,760
when you die there's something after it

1461
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:32,880
i want to find out what's going on

1462
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:36,000
and so that that's why when i got

1463
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:38,079
old enough i started researching these

1464
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:40,480
subjects

1465
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:42,720
well you know you wrote darkness walks

1466
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:44,400
the shadow people among us

1467
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:48,240
and you know i i i read that book

1468
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:51,440
many years ago and i've had clients that

1469
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:52,079
have had

1470
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:55,359
these shadow people encounters what do

1471
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:56,960
you believe the shadow people are

1472
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:57,680
because

1473
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,880
i get all kinds of different

1474
00:56:02,710 --> 00:56:00,720
explanations from people

1475
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,720
i have my own opinions but what do you

1476
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:04,480
think shadow persons are

1477
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:07,680
i i interviewed

1478
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:11,119
at least 250 people for the book

1479
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:14,480
i didn't include all of them because

1480
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:16,960
some of them i i thought it was um you

1481
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:18,319
know

1482
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:25,280
but i i included a whole lot i

1483
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:27,280
came to the conclusion that shadow

1484
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:30,559
people are probably a lot of things

1485
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:33,040
that just look the same you know shadow

1486
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:33,920
people

1487
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:37,440
are human you know blacker than night

1488
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:38,240
human shaped

1489
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:40,640
shadows generally they appear

1490
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:42,400
two-dimensional

1491
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:44,640
some of them just walk through a

1492
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:47,200
person's life not paying attention

1493
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:50,400
never noticing the person like never

1494
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:52,319
noticing the person who sees them

1495
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:54,160
then there are those that notice the

1496
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:56,319
person watching them get scared and run

1497
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:57,280
away

1498
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:58,880
then there are shadow people that seem

1499
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:00,720
to observe

1500
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:03,599
people watching them and then there are

1501
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:06,240
shadows with red eyes that terrify those

1502
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:07,280
who see them

1503
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:09,440
and and they report that it feels like

1504
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:11,200
they're feeding off the fear that they

1505
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:12,000
generate

1506
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:15,280
yeah yeah there's the hat man which is a

1507
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:17,760
shadow person wearing a fedora

1508
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:20,960
which stalks people and and

1509
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:24,000
it also tends to generate fear

1510
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:27,440
all of all of these things only

1511
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:30,640
have one thing in common and it's their

1512
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:31,839
appearance they're

1513
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:34,880
black they're uh you know

1514
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:37,760
human shaped and and and that's it you

1515
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:38,640
can't see

1516
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:41,599
any features on them on them at all some

1517
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:43,520
of the behavior seems like a residual

1518
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:46,079
ghost if somebody sees a shadow person

1519
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:47,520
every once in a while does the same

1520
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:49,119
thing walks down the stairs

1521
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:51,440
takes a left goes into the kitchen and

1522
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:53,200
disappears

1523
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:54,799
you know that's definitely sounds like a

1524
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:56,480
residual ghost

1525
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:58,160
the the the ones that walk through

1526
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:59,920
somebody's you know life their living

1527
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:01,760
room their backyard whatever

1528
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:04,240
and doesn't take notice you know that

1529
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:05,680
seems like

1530
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:07,359
you know somebody's going from place to

1531
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:09,680
place yeah you know maybe it's a

1532
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:11,280
you know somebody you know maybe it's

1533
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:13,200
this is a window area

1534
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:15,599
and it's just another human being

1535
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:17,680
walking you know from place to place and

1536
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:18,799
all we can see is

1537
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:22,319
is you know the shadow uh or you know

1538
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:25,760
most of it i interviewed uh

1539
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:28,079
an exorcist a catholic exorcist i

1540
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:28,880
interviewed

1541
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:31,359
an expert in islam an expert in buddhist

1542
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:32,319
buddhism uh

1543
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:36,400
hinduism a native american shaman uh

1544
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:39,280
for all of these except for the the the

1545
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:41,520
buddhist expert i interviewed

1546
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:43,680
these all have negative connotations

1547
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:46,079
they're they're a demonic type being

1548
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:50,640
that's only meaningless harm so

1549
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,839
i've also a couple of people

1550
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:55,599
told me they're they're convinced shadow

1551
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:57,680
people are extraterrestrials but

1552
00:59:00,950 --> 00:59:00,079
you know what isn't but so yeah to

1553
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:00,960
answer your question

1554
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:03,040
i i think they're more than one thing

1555
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:04,079
yeah although that's that's

1556
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:07,200
probably true i mean i i haven't been

1557
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:08,960
able to pinpoint and really get a good

1558
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:11,920
read on myself i i know

1559
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:14,079
it seems that they do show up in

1560
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:16,079
dysfunctional situations

1561
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:18,720
a lot of times or where there's sickness

1562
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:19,440
or

1563
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:22,480
whatever

1564
00:59:27,030 --> 00:59:24,160
they seem to you're right they do seem

1565
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:27,040
to feed off of that type of energy

1566
00:59:30,069 --> 00:59:29,680
well and that's that's one type and and

1567
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:30,079
i

1568
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:35,920
and they just walked through my room

1569
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:38,480
that's all they did took no notice of me

1570
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:40,720
and this happened for a few month period

1571
00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:42,640
but eventually they stopped

1572
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:45,359
and i was scared because it was like

1573
00:59:48,789 --> 00:59:46,799
what the hell is that

1574
00:59:51,270 --> 00:59:48,799
but it wasn't the type of fear that it

1575
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:51,280
felt like the entity was generating

1576
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:55,040
just to feed off of i was just scared

1577
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:57,359
so i i think you know there there are

1578
01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:58,400
definitely different

1579
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:01,680
different types so uh what's in the

1580
01:00:05,270 --> 01:00:02,640
future for

1581
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:05,280
uh jason offic i know you have a new

1582
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:07,440
book coming up what else is going on

1583
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:10,240
well i've got a novel that i just

1584
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:11,839
finished that's what else i do i write

1585
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:12,960
novels

1586
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:16,400
um it's uh in my hands of my beta

1587
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:18,160
readers right now so i don't even know

1588
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:20,799
if it's any good or not

1589
01:00:26,829 --> 01:00:23,440
but uh when it comes to uh any anything

1590
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:26,839
on on the paranormal bent i'm working on

1591
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:28,400
um

1592
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:31,760
uh chasing uh candidates monsters

1593
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:35,359
um yeah i i know you've been writing a

1594
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:37,200
series of stories

1595
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:40,000
or articles over at mysterious universe

1596
01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:40,400
for

1597
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:43,280
several years now so and yeah i know the

1598
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:46,079
the last several have been about um

1599
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:48,400
about canada so yeah that'll be very

1600
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:50,240
interesting

1601
01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:54,160
yeah i have heard that you are a home

1602
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:55,760
beer brewer as well

1603
01:00:59,349 --> 01:00:58,240
yes yes i am any thoughts about going

1604
01:01:02,549 --> 01:00:59,359
commercial

1605
01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:02,559
well no because i can't get it right

1606
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:04,960
every single time

1607
01:01:09,270 --> 01:01:07,040
yeah i think consistency is a big part

1608
01:01:12,549 --> 01:01:09,280
of that oh man because i will brew

1609
01:01:14,549 --> 01:01:12,559
i brewed two batches back to back

1610
01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:14,559
one i brewed in a way that was really

1611
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:15,920
difficult to do and i thought it was

1612
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:17,520
gonna be awful and it was

1613
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:19,920
delicious and another batch that i

1614
01:01:22,829 --> 01:01:21,440
brewed before that i knew was gonna be

1615
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:22,839
good tasted terrible

1616
01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:26,799
oh so so yeah

1617
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:29,920
yeah well jason thanks again for being

1618
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:31,760
on the show i appreciate you coming on

1619
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:33,119
and hope i can get you

1620
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:35,680
a little sooner the next time hey lon

1621
01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:36,559
just uh any

1622
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:38,400
anytime you want me on just let me know

1623
01:01:41,670 --> 01:01:39,760
i've had a great time

1624
01:01:43,750 --> 01:01:41,680
wonderful talking to you again you take

1625
01:01:45,430 --> 01:01:43,760
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1626
01:01:47,589 --> 01:01:45,440
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1635
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:02,880
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1637
01:02:09,029 --> 01:02:07,359
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1638
01:02:11,349 --> 01:02:09,039
joining me this evening

1639
01:02:12,309 --> 01:02:11,359
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1640
01:02:22,850 --> 01:02:12,319
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1641
01:02:22,860 --> 01:02:46,829
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1642
01:02:46,839 --> 01:03:00,540
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